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"Precisely.

"Now in the past," David went on, "we were always told that the Elders came from the ranks, but once they were chosen they became anonymous except to other Elders, and their location was never revealed to anyone. In olden times they communicated by letter, sending their own couriers to deliver and retrieve all correspondence. In the twentieth century, they moved to fax communication and computer communication, but again, they themselves remained anonymous and their location unknown.

"Of course the mystery was this; no one ever knew personally any member called to be an Elder. No one ever encountered personally anyone who claimed to be an Elder. So it was strictly a matter of faith that the Elders were chosen from the ranks, and as early as the Renaissance, as you know, members of the Talamasca had suspicions about the Elders, and were profoundly uncomfortable with not knowing who they really were or how they passed their power on to succeeding generations."

"Yes, I remember all this," I said. "Of course. Marius talked about it in his memoir. Even Raymond Gallant, his friend in the Talamasca, had asked Marius what he knew about the origins of the Talamasca, as if he, Raymond, were uneasy with not knowing more."

"Correct," said Jesse.

"Well, now it seems everybody knows who the new Elders are," said David, "and where their meetings will take place, and all are invited to communicate with these new Elders on a daily basis. But obviously, the mystery of the Elders before this time remains. Who were they? How were they chosen? Where did they reside? And why are they h

anding off power now to known members?"

"Sounds like what Maharet's done with the Great Family," I said.

"Exactly."

"But you never seriously thought they were immortals, did you?" asked Jesse. "I never did. I simply accepted the need for secrecy. I was told the Talamasca was an authoritarian order when I joined. I was told it was like the Church of Rome, in that its authority was absolute. Never expect to know who the Elders are or where they are or how they know what they know."

"I've always thought they were immortals," said David.

Jesse was shocked and a little amused. "David, you're serious?"

"Yes," said David. "I've thought all my life that immortals founded the Order to spy on and record the goings-on of other immortals--spirits, ghosts, werewolves, vampires, whatever. And of course we were to spy on all those mortals who can communicate with immortals."

I was reflecting. "So the Order's collected all this data over the centuries, while the central mystery--the origins--remains unexplored."

"Exactly. And if anything this change moves us farther away from the central mystery," said David. "Within a few generations the entire mystery might well be forgotten. Our shadowy past will be no more intriguing than the shadowy past of any other ancient institution."

"That does seem to be what they want," I said. "They're bowing out before any serious investigation is mounted, either within or without the Order, to find out who they are. Another decision prompted by the information age? Maharet was right."

"What if there's a deeper reason?" David asked. "What if the Order was indeed founded by immortals, and what if these immortals are no longer interested in pursuing the knowledge they wanted so badly? What if they've abandoned their quest? Or what if they've found out what they wanted to know all along?"

"What could that possibly be?" Jesse asked. "Why, we know no more about ghosts, witches, and vampires than we ever did."

"That's not true," David said. "What have we been discussing here? Think."

"Too many unknowns," I said. "Too many suppositions. The Talamasca has an amazing history, no doubt about that, but I don't see why it couldn't have been founded by scholars and maintained by them, and what any of this proves. On the surface of it, the Elders have simply changed their method of interacting with the members."

"I don't like it," said Jesse softly. She appeared to shiver. She rubbed the backs of her arms with her long white fingers. "I don't like it at all."

"Has Maharet ever told you anything about the Talamasca, anything entirely personal that she alone knew?" asked David.

"You know she hasn't," Jesse responded. "She knows all about them; she thinks they're benign. But no, she's confided nothing. She's not terribly interested in the Talamasca. She never has been. You know that. David, you asked her these questions yourself."

"There were legends," said David, "legends we never discussed. That we were founded to track the vampires of the Earth, and all the rest of the research was essentially unimportant, that the Elders themselves were vampires."

"I don't believe that," I said, "but then you lived with all the talk, I didn't."

"It used to be said that when you died within the Order, the Elders came to you right before death and revealed themselves. But who started that old tale I never knew. And as I kept watch with one dying colleague after another in my time, I came to know this wasn't true. People died with many unresolved questions about their life's work, and its value." David looked at me. "When we first met, Lestat, I was a disillusioned and burnt-out old man. You remember that. I wasn't sure all my work studying the supernatural had come to anything."

"Whatever the case, the mystery remains unresolved," I said. "And maybe I should try to find the answer. Because I think this new development does have something to do with the crisis our kind is facing." But I broke off, uncertain of what more I could say.

They sat there in silence.

"If it's all connected, I don't like it," I muttered. "All this is too apocalyptic," I said. "I can live with the notion that this world is a Savage Garden, that things are born and die for random reasons, that suffering is irrelevant to the great brutal cycle of life. I can live with all that. But I don't think I can live with great overarching connections between things as enduring as the Great Family and the Talamasca and the evolution of our tribe...."

Fact was, I simply couldn't put it all together. So why act like the idea of it was frightening me? I wanted to put it all together, didn't I?